people who come from the peasant background it was not from a political movement that toward the free environment of the city that is what most people did been in the process some became politicized. >> host: they thought they would be markedly different. >> guest: that they would not be murdered for taking a stand in the relatively free environment they could create the conditions for the modern movement. >> host: talk about the movement and snic and others. who were the people that moved the most? king comment now, x, john lewis, stokely carmichael? >> all of the above. i tried to explain to students rosa parks made more to mr. king possible. not vice versa. if she did not do what she had done margin mr. king would be inarticulate well-meaning baptist minister. because of rosa parks we talk about him today. she opened up the possibility to open those qualities to rise to the equation. >> host: while she refused to give up her seat she was thinking of the 14 year-old black boy from chicago who went to mississippi because he whistled at a white woman was brutally murdered. to that change your spa